{"id":116721,"date":"2018-02-08T17:00:10","date_gmt":"2018-02-08T17:00:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/amateurphotographer.co.uk\/?p=116721"},"modified":"2018-02-08T14:59:43","modified_gmt":"2018-02-08T14:59:43","slug":"streets-san-francisco-interview-fred-lyon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/latest\/articles\/streets-san-francisco-interview-fred-lyon\/","title":{"rendered":"The streets of San Francisco: Interview with Fred Lyon"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div id=&quot;attachment_116729&quot;  class=\"c-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1020px\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-116729 size-full\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Downtown-San-Francisco.jpg\" alt=\"San Francisco Noir Downtown San Francisco\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" srcset=\"https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Downtown-San-Francisco.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Downtown-San-Francisco.jpg?resize=300,300 300w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Downtown-San-Francisco.jpg?resize=400,400 400w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Downtown-San-Francisco.jpg?resize=170,170 170w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Downtown-San-Francisco.jpg?resize=900,900 900w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Downtown-San-Francisco.jpg?resize=562,562 562w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Downtown-San-Francisco.jpg?resize=150,150 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/>\t\t\t<p class=\"c-caption__text\">A classic \u2018noir\u2019 shot from downtown San Francisco. Using a tripod allowed Fred to get some cool long-exposure effects. Credit: Fred Lyon<\/p>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\n<p>San Francisco is one of the most influential cities in the world \u2013 an atmospheric place forever associated with the gold rush, gumshoe movies and Chinatown, beatniks and hippies, and more recently, the triumphs and excesses of Silicon Valley. Few photographers have a deeper knowledge of the city and its subcultures than Fred Lyon, a widely published documentary and portrait photographer who is still going strong at 93. Fred, who is more articulate and insightful than a lot of photographers half his age, has just released <em>San Francisco Noir<\/em>, a new collection of his classic black &amp; white film images.<\/p>\n<p>Moody night and low-light shots of the streets (and street life) of San Francisco dominate this fascinating chronicle of 1940 to 1960, at a time when very high ISOs or easily affordable and portable location lighting were something that Fred and his peers could only dream of. Of course, it helped to have such a myth-making metropolis to shoot. As Fred explains in his introduction to the book, \u2018What a town! Bursting with energy, San Francisco seized fistfuls of its most doubtful characters, anointing them with instant celebrity \u2013 and morality be damned&#8230; Just turn up the collar of your trench coat, settle your fedora low on your head and strike a match to that cigarette dangling from your mouth. You\u2019re in.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Fred is not surprised by the enthusiastic reception <em>San Francisco Noir<\/em> has received, but this is more to do with his age and laconic character than an inherent lack of modesty. \u2018I\u2019ve been at this so long that few things surprise me when it comes to publications. Everything starts out being wonderful, then the publishing requirements are satisfied and I\u2019m not very happy. But <em>San Francisco Noir<\/em> delights me as the old black &amp; white images are so well digitised and the book is beautifully designed. The young designer disappeared with a bottle of scotch or maybe bourbon over a weekend and did a fantastic job. He picked all my favourite images, the ones that don\u2019t always make the cut.\u2019<\/p>\n\t\t<div id=&quot;attachment_116730&quot;  class=\"c-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1020px\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-116730 size-full\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-hilly-streets-and-tram.jpg\" alt=\"San Francisco Noir hilly streets and tram\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1282\" srcset=\"https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-hilly-streets-and-tram.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-hilly-streets-and-tram.jpg?resize=300,385 300w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-hilly-streets-and-tram.jpg?resize=312,400 312w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-hilly-streets-and-tram.jpg?resize=900,1154 900w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-hilly-streets-and-tram.jpg?resize=562,720 562w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/>\t\t\t<p class=\"c-caption__text\">Steep hills, trams, handsome old houses \u2013 this could only be the city of San Francisco. Credit: Fred Lyon<\/p>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\n<h2>Learning on the job<\/h2>\n<p>Fred first became interested in photography as a teenager, but his reasons weren\u2019t particularly lofty. \u2018I knew a guy who had a camera and he always seemed to have cute girls around him. I thought that if I had a camera, maybe I\u2019d get girls, too. By the time I discovered that a camera wasn\u2019t the answer to getting girls, I was already hooked.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>A flick through Fred\u2019s book would suggest that classic film noir movies, such as Double Indemnity, and documentary photography gods, such as Brassa\u00ef or Doisneau, influenced him, but this is only partially the case. \u2018At the beginning of my career working for magazines, I was lurching forward and had no time to think about influences, but looking back I can see that Arnold Genthe cast a spell. He was way ahead of the curve in terms of his Chinatown images, and I look for his vision every time I go there. He practised street photography before the term existed, and was essentially a portrait photographer. Street and documentary photography is essentially about people at all levels.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Fred cut his teeth working for newspapers and magazines, including <em>Vogue<\/em> and <em>Life<\/em>. The importance of careful, elegant composition was drilled into him from the start. \u2018I knew I wanted to make imagery that was aesthetically pleasing and well composed, with strong graphic shapes.\u2019 He also learned to turn technical challenges to his advantage, as can be seen in the book\u2019s more overtly \u2018noir\u2019 shots.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018The San Francisco fog and night are very useful for covering up the less attractive works of man,\u2019 he notes wryly. \u2018They also enable you to add a sense of mystery and romance, which I also got from my time when I worked as a fashion photographer in New York. My wife is a former fashion model. I had a continued interest in fashion photography. There is something about the optimism and romanticism which has inspired me and kept a smile on my face.\u2019<\/p>\n\t\t<div id=&quot;attachment_116728&quot;  class=\"c-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1020px\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-116728 size-full\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-candid-street-shot-1950s.jpg\" alt=\"San Francisco Noir candid street shot 1950s\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1012\" srcset=\"https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-candid-street-shot-1950s.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-candid-street-shot-1950s.jpg?resize=300,304 300w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-candid-street-shot-1950s.jpg?resize=395,400 395w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-candid-street-shot-1950s.jpg?resize=900,911 900w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-candid-street-shot-1950s.jpg?resize=562,569 562w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/>\t\t\t<p class=\"c-caption__text\">This looks like it could be a scene from Double Indemnity but it\u2019s a candid street shot from the 1950s. Credit: Fred Lyon<\/p>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\n<h2>Pragmatic approach<\/h2>\n<p>Fred\u2019s choice of image format was dictated by pragmatism as much as aesthetics. \u2018I shot in the square format for a long time, but got bored. Also, I discovered I was being paid by magazines on a page rate. If I made horizontal pictures, maybe I\u2019d get paid for a half page, as getting a spread was rare. So I learned to force verticals, to try to get the full-page rate. The vertical format also suits San Francisco, so it worked out well for me. It is still the case where a lot of documentary and street photographers become \u201cstuck\u201d on landscape format and they should try other approaches.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>When it came to taking night shots in the notoriously foggy city, or low-light shots in nightclubs and dive bars, Fred just had to work it out as he went along. \u2018I shot Kodachrome at the beginning which had a film speed of something like ASA 6! I have had a million young photographers look at my black &amp; white work for clues and I have to say, it wasn\u2019t easy technically. I soon learned that my tripod and my wastebasket were my best friends \u2013 the tripod enabled me to take longer exposures in low light, and the wastebasket for editing my work! Working in fashion and for magazines like <em>Life<\/em> also taught me to always make extra exposures, just in case; while working for <em>Sports Illustrated<\/em> taught me how to work fast. With sports photography, you had to get the right exposure at the peak of the action. When I started out there were no exposure meters, either; you just had to figure it out.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Fred recounts how his varied magazine commissions presented him with a range of photographic challenges, so he had to learn quickly on the job. \u2018I even had to figure out aerial and underwater photography and ended up spending a lot on specialist gear I didn\u2019t use again. I learned something each time, though.\u2019<\/p>\n\t\t<div id=&quot;attachment_116731&quot;  class=\"c-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1020px\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-116731 size-full\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-International-settlement-sign.jpg\" alt=\"San Francisco Noir International settlement sign\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" srcset=\"https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-International-settlement-sign.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-International-settlement-sign.jpg?resize=300,300 300w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-International-settlement-sign.jpg?resize=400,400 400w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-International-settlement-sign.jpg?resize=170,170 170w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-International-settlement-sign.jpg?resize=900,900 900w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-International-settlement-sign.jpg?resize=562,562 562w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-International-settlement-sign.jpg?resize=150,150 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/>\t\t\t<p class=\"c-caption__text\">Fred has long been inspired by the ethnic mix of the city, seen here in another masterful long exposure image. Credit: Fred Lyon<\/p>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\n<h2>Jazz hands<\/h2>\n<p><em>San Francisco Noir<\/em> is full of classic sights and scenes, with trams, atmospheric shots of Chinatown, steep, misty streets with elegant old houses and dive bars. Jazz fans will love the book as it contains lots of evocative shots of jazz clubs and performers \u2013 the city has long embraced this hugely influential musical genre, and jazz was loved by the beatniks and hipsters who preceded the whole Haight-Ashbury scene. San Francisco is also the birthplace of the Summer of Love. There aren\u2019t any hippies in the book for a simple reason \u2013 it is about Fred\u2019s black &amp; white photography, and he started shooting colour around 1960, a long time before the golden age of the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane. \u2018From 1960 onwards it was like someone flipped a switch and colour photography really caught on. About 10-12 years ago the whole photography market changed, and I realised I needed more cashf low. There was clearly a demand for old black &amp; white prints from collectors, so I grabbed my shoebox of negatives and this led to the book. It\u2019s good to see this renaissance of interest in black &amp; white. Those of us who came from that era had to learn to see in black &amp; white, and this is still important in the digital era too \u2013 it\u2019s not just about getting rid of colour.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>San Francisco has changed exponentially since Fred first started shooting the city seriously. Physical mobility issues mean Fred can\u2019t go out and about like he used to, but he still loves the place and is still passionate about photography. \u2018I miss the kids playing in the street. Maybe they are inside watching TV or on their iPhones. But a lot of the old San Francisco is still there. They can\u2019t take the fog away, the light is different here. The bridges won\u2019t quit, and we still have these steep hills and streets and cable cars. Everything has changed a bit but all the cities I love have also changed. I wouldn\u2019t want to live in a city that wasn\u2019t in some process of change or growth. I complain about the traffic and lack of parking, but San Francisco still has the best food. The city is the gateway to the Pacific and is very ethnically diverse. At my age, food is my last temptation!\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Fred claims that image making has been an \u2018itch\u2019 he has to scratch, even now. \u2018I wake up in the middle of the night thinking about how I could make a particular picture. I couldn\u2019t be more surprised to still be around at this age&#8230; at one time I felt anyone over 30 would probably want to be put out of their misery. But of course I\u2019ve changed my mind! I am having such a good time and good things are happening. I am still so excited by the possibilities of photography.\u2019<\/p>\n\t\t<div id=&quot;attachment_116732&quot;  class=\"c-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1020px\">\n\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-116732 size-full\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Michelle-Johnson-singing.jpg\" alt=\"San Francisco Noir Michelle Johnson singing\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1206\" srcset=\"https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Michelle-Johnson-singing.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Michelle-Johnson-singing.jpg?resize=300,362 300w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Michelle-Johnson-singing.jpg?resize=332,400 332w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Michelle-Johnson-singing.jpg?resize=900,1085 900w, https:\/\/other.kelsey.host\/amateurphotographer\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/16\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-Michelle-Johnson-singing.jpg?resize=562,678 562w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/>\t\t\t<p class=\"c-caption__text\">This is also a music city. Performer Michelle Johnson sings here at a jazz poetry reading. Credit: Fred Lyon<\/p>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\n<h2>Fred\u2019s cameras and lenses<\/h2>\n<p>\u2018When I came back out to the West Coast after spending time in the navy and in New York doing fashion, I used Rolleiflexes. Many images in the book were taken with Rolleis, until Hasselblads appeared. Hasselblad enabled me to change the film cassettes and used a wideangle lens, a more standard 80mm and one of the first telephotos, which I think was a 150mm. As I started to get busy, I ended up buying terrifying amounts of specialised camera gear, too.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Despite his long history in film photography, Fred is very open-minded about digital photography and loves his Nikon D300. \u2018There are a lot of people who think I should be clinging to the darkroom experience but I have spent enough time in there, and I never claimed to be great at film developing. Sometimes I get a whiff of the chemistry and it stirs something in my memory, but for me, digital has been wonderful. Indeed, if it hadn\u2019t have been for the digital revolution, this book would never have been published. We have been able to rescue a lot of images which suffered accidents in processing and wear and tear on the negatives in the 60-70 years since they were taken.\u2019<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-116727 alignleft\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/San-Francisco-Noir-book-cover.jpg\" alt=\"San Francisco Noir book cover\" width=\"300\" height=\"395\" \/><\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Fred Lyon, 93, is a fourth-generation San Francisco native who has spent much of his career shooting the city for newspapers and magazines, including <em>Vogue<\/em> and <em>Life<\/em>. A new book of his classic black &amp; white images, <em>San Francisco Noir<\/em>, is available now. ISBN 978- 1616896515, Princeton Architectural Press, \u00a330.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Still enthusiastic about photography at 93, Fred Lyon talks to Geoff Harris about the historic, low-light masterpieces in his new book San Francisco Noir<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2716,"featured_media":116733,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[374,311],"tags":[1329,1331,1334,1332,1330,1333,494],"product-category":[],"class_list":["post-116721","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-interviews","category-articles","tag-black-and-white","tag-black-and-white-photography","tag-city-photography","tag-fred-lyons","tag-monochrome","tag-san-francisco","tag-street-photography"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.8 (Yoast SEO v26.8) - 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